• Stargate - Lower left ball gate problem

    From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Sunday, May 29, 2022 01:50:51
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
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  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Sunday, May 29, 2022 16:39:51
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7

    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#
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    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
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    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
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  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Monday, May 30, 2022 13:50:46
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what happens...

    John :-#)#

    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    In self test work fine, in game not.
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  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Tuesday, May 31, 2022 07:47:43
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.

    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.

    John :-#)#
    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
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  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Tuesday, May 31, 2022 09:22:22
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test. John :-#)#

    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
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  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Tuesday, May 31, 2022 16:11:26
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test. >> John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.

    Is this a blade styule switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...

    John :-#)#
    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
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  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:02:01
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade styule switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#

    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
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  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:48:57
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    initially the problem was the pyramid that rose only 1 cm, then the pyramid settled on its own and the problem moved on to the "lower left ball gate"
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/7dRxN8LYZk6ByDTH6
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  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Thursday, June 02, 2022 17:05:55
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA

    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?

    John :-#)#
    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
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  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Friday, June 03, 2022 09:01:38
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out >>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch >>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective >>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
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  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Friday, June 03, 2022 10:42:51
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>>>>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out >>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch >>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective >>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of >>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can >>>> cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.

    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
    check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.

    John :-#)#
    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    --- Synchronet 3.19a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Friday, June 03, 2022 11:26:41
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>>>>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out >>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch >>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective >>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make >>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of >>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can >>>> cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp. >> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and >> the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
    check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#

    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
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  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Friday, June 03, 2022 11:36:21
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make >>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp. >> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#

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    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
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  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Friday, June 03, 2022 11:59:53
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/06/03 11:26 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>>>>>>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out >>>>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch >>>>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective >>>>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make >>>>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of >>>>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can >>>>>> cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp. >>>> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and >>>> the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
    check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8

    You are not using the Switch Test - you are activating switches while
    the game is in Play mode.

    Do you have the operators manual? If so read up on how to do the built
    in Switch Test. Then activate all the switches, one at a time while in
    Switch Test and see if only that switch shows as activated on the
    display screen.

    If you don't have the manual, then get a copy from eBay or The Pinball Resource. You will need it.

    John :-#)#
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    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
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  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Friday, June 03, 2022 14:39:31
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>>>>>>>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out >>>>>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch >>>>>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective >>>>>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make >>>>>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of >>>>>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can >>>>>>> cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>>>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp. >>>>> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and >>>>> the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
    check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.

    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
    you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?

    John :-#)#
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    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
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  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Thursday, August 25, 2022 04:27:16
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>>>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and >>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
    you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
    John :-#)#

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    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
    --- Synchronet 3.19a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 19:07:53
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto: >>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make >>>>>>>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>>>>>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp. >>>>>>> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and >>>>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
    you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch
    responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
    John :-#)#

    I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?

    Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer
    next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
    positive still.

    John :-#(#
    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    --- Synchronet 3.19a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Thursday, September 01, 2022 02:12:48
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 04:08:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto: >>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and >>>>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
    you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch >> responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
    John :-#)#

    I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
    Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
    positive still.

    John :-#(#
    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    i'm so sorry, i hope you get negative, i have the manual online: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u5ROWlTO6zq-i1toZwOx6cf5yxb-LT49/view
    --- Synchronet 3.19a-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
  • From John Robertson@spam@flippers.com to rec.games.pinball on Thursday, September 01, 2022 10:14:09
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    On 2022/09/01 2:12 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 04:08:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto: >>>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>>>>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and >>>>>>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if >>>> you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch >>>> responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
    John :-#)#

    I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
    Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer
    next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
    positive still.

    John :-#(#


    i'm so sorry, i hope you get negative, i have the manual online: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u5ROWlTO6zq-i1toZwOx6cf5yxb-LT49/view

    Please take the manual down as it violates international copyright law
    to have it posted. Don't want you getting in trouble!

    John :-#)#
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  • From Evil777@evilroberto83@gmail.com to rec.games.pinball on Friday, September 02, 2022 02:19:52
    From Newsgroup: rec.games.pinball

    Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 19:14:24 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/09/01 2:12 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
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    On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
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    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
    check all switches related to the gate. And others around it. >>>>>>> John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if >>>> you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch
    responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
    John :-#)#

    I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
    Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer >> next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
    positive still.

    John :-#(#


    i'm so sorry, i hope you get negative, i have the manual online: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u5ROWlTO6zq-i1toZwOx6cf5yxb-LT49/view

    Please take the manual down as it violates international copyright law
    to have it posted. Don't want you getting in trouble!

    John :-#)#
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    Ok i have delete my post with link.
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