• Re: SSH on BBSes

    From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to boraxman on Thursday, April 28, 2022 07:02:00
    boraxman wrote to claw <=-

    Same here, but without the Pepsi. It's more than just nostalgia, a lot
    of "Social Media" just downright sucks, and I prefer this world to Twitter, Tik Tok, Farcebook, et al. More focused discussion, and
    frankly, a better interface for text based discussion. I want a return
    to something simpler, more pure, with more focus.

    Amen to that.

    I'm rediscovering IRC and playing with Mastodon and enjoy both more than Facebook; I haven't logged into FB in some time.

    The advertising based business model that social media uses is worse
    than toxic, it is a social disaster. BBS's aren't subject to that.

    Agreed. When a platform manipulates what you see in order to maximize their profits, it opens the door to other manipulation as well.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, April 29, 2022 12:55:00
    I'm rediscovering IRC and playing with Mastodon and enjoy both more than Facebook; I haven't logged into FB in some time.

    Deon's running a Mastodon server.. I've looked a couple of times but never really run with it. I've stuck with FB for specific groups, one automotive,
    the rest Apple II related, but as a "social" venue I don't go near it. IRC I think is going to depend on what server you find. A lot tend to be pretty
    quiet IME, with a fair number of hangers on but not much action.

    Spec


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  • From claw@21:1/210 to Spectre on Thursday, April 28, 2022 22:59:02
    Originally because of the resource issue... but then that was a 386 it
    was running on.. but no mostly because I preferred the CLI, always have, like my text better than the pointy clicky thing.. I think early on most of the X desktop was pretty ordinary.. I haven't really looked at one since eeebuntu though either... thats got to be about 8 years or more
    ago now...

    What do you have for a system, and what os do you run now?

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to claw on Friday, April 29, 2022 16:06:00
    What do you have for a system, and what os do you run now?

    Well the linux box, is an old Shuttle box...Core2Duo 2.4Ghz with 4Gigglibytes in it. Its running, 3 websites, 4 nodes of BBS, a barely utilised MySQL
    server and minimal Samba. Its running a knackered ubuntu 18.4LTS

    An old Synology NAS has picked up most of the slack from the linux box for
    file serving duties. Whatever its native OS is

    An antique Sophos UTM110 mostly running as a switch, with NFS on it, because the DOS VM's on the linux box will not NFS to the native server for some reason. Ubuntu 18.04LTS

    Which leaves the daily drive, a Core2Quad with 8Gigglibytes in it.. Win7 64bit... a long in the tooth, Radeon HD6570

    Spec


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Friday, April 29, 2022 21:50:31
    far as MS Flight Sim you just run it with proton and it works. There anything special to get that one going.

    I haven't used Proton, but I suppose I'd have to give it a try. Before running it though, I'd think one hurdle might be getting it installed in Linux in the first place..

    Nightfox
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    Do you have a steam account?

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Arelor on Friday, April 29, 2022 21:58:49
    Perhaps. From people I know, and from people I've spoken to at Linux u grous and free software groups, and anyone else I know who's meddled, i more the OS itself, rather than available applications which is why the switched. Stability, freedom, low cost. The apps they use didn't come with the exception of "LAMP", but you can run a webserver on Windows. works different on Linux.

    In the FOSS world there is a big cultural difference in that end users
    are fine reporting bugs and trying to bring features in if they are not available.

    This morning, OpenBSD did not support Nitrokeys. An hour ago it got experimental support because a bearded guy who smells like a horse
    decided to port its reference libraries over.

    I do know people who switched to Linux because of certain applications, though.


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    That could be because people feel that the projects are accessible, and that the developers are wanting to hear ideas and will actually read and take seriously feedback and reports. Probably because they are smaller
    .

    With millions of Windows users, your bug report would get get aggregated, and same with your feedback.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, April 29, 2022 22:01:44
    That is pretty cool, I will look out for them. When I was looking, I was looking at newer models (Thinkpads, T450 or later) which were abo $200.

    Thinkpads have a pretty long life, and used ones were usually maxxed out (or close to it) so a business could get 3 years out of them.

    I have a T410, it's one of the last with a traditional keyboard, and
    it's not an Ultrabook, but I love the keyboard and it's got an old i7
    CPU in it.

    The T430 (I think) was the first thinner Thinkpad with the "island" keyboard, they most likely have a lot of life left, especially if you replace the SATA drive with an SSD. You might get a deal on one.

    Some of the older T series had a 2.5" SATA drive and a 16GB MMC drive. Windows has a driver to use the MMC like a big cache that's kind of neat.

    I got a T470 for my wife, I'm tempted to get one myself. I do prefer the older style keyboard, strongly.

    I'm still using a T43 that I got second hand. The only thing I need to change on it was to add 1G of RAM, and get a bigger hard drive. Still works just fine.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, April 29, 2022 22:02:28
    they use didn't come up, with the exception of "LAMP", but you can ru a webserver on Windows. It just works different on Linux.

    Heck, you can run a whole LAMP stack on Windows. I've seen people do
    their dev on a local stack on their desktop then push to staging and production on Linux.



    You mean WAMP? The L stands for Linux.

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to boraxman on Friday, April 29, 2022 10:13:09
    That could be because people feel that the projects are accessible, and that the developers are wanting to hear ideas and will actually read and take seriously feedback and reports. Probably because they are smaller

    For some proportion of the early adopters this might have been the case, and welcome change to M$ of the era. For Joe Mugg users these days... I think you're going to be in the minority with that assertion...there's probably
    still a percentage that think like that, but it'll bet a shadow of its former self in the number of nubs out there using it now.

    ST

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to boraxman on Friday, April 29, 2022 09:21:22
    Re: Re: SSH on BBSes
    By: boraxman to Nightfox on Fri Apr 29 2022 09:50 pm

    I haven't used Proton, but I suppose I'd have to give it a try.
    Before running it though, I'd think one hurdle might be getting it
    installed in Linux in the first place..

    Do you have a steam account?

    Yes, I do.

    Nightfox
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to StormTrooper on Friday, April 29, 2022 18:07:26
    Re: Re: SSH on BBSes
    By: StormTrooper to boraxman on Fri Apr 29 2022 10:13 am

    That could be because people feel that the projects are accessible, and that the developers are wanting to hear ideas and will actually read an take seriously feedback and reports. Probably because they are smaller

    For some proportion of the early adopters this might have been the case, and welcome change to M$ of the era. For Joe Mugg users these days... I think you're going to be in the minority with that assertion...there's probably still a percentage that think like that, but it'll bet a shadow of its forme self in the number of nubs out there using it now.

    ST

    Yes, the ratio of contributors to leechers is dropping down quite fast in Linux.

    Still some distributions follow a very BSD-like model in which a self-contained base is designed by a small group and the users themselves band together and build everything else.

    Slackware comes to mind. Patrick and a small group of others build Slackware, but then the rest of the users add 3rd party software to the Slackbuilds quasi-port system. THe idea is that if you want something to work in Slackware, you submit a build to Slackbuilds (or any other repo-system) and make it work yourself.

    Afaik Arch has community repositories which work in a similar fashion, and KISS and CRUX are built so you can mix and match community repositories. In fact the KISS dev intends you to build your own repository and chain it with other repositories you may like to use.

    The KISS approach may seem niche but it shows the will is there.

    Then there are the small BSD in which the standard way of ensuring something works is patching it and sending the feedback to the mailing lists :-)

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to StormTrooper on Saturday, April 30, 2022 21:55:34
    That could be because people feel that the projects are accessible, a that the developers are wanting to hear ideas and will actually read take seriously feedback and reports. Probably because they are small

    For some proportion of the early adopters this might have been the case, and welcome change to M$ of the era. For Joe Mugg users these days... I think you're going to be in the minority with that assertion...there's probably still a percentage that think like that, but it'll bet a shadow of its former self in the number of nubs out there using it now.

    ST

    Interesting. Window is not as virus prone and prone to corruption and crashes as it once was, so that does make sense.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Saturday, April 30, 2022 22:02:42

    I haven't used Proton, but I suppose I'd have to give it a try.
    Before running it though, I'd think one hurdle might be getting it
    installed in Linux in the first place..

    Do you have a steam account?

    Yes, I do.

    Nightfox

    The Steam desktop application will install proton for you when you install a game through it. You'll be able to use that version of proton to run any other game.

    My copy of proton is installed via steam. You'll just have to be aware, it doesn't install it in /usr/bin, but its its own steam applications directory.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to boraxman on Friday, April 29, 2022 06:44:00
    boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'm still using a T43 that I got second hand. The only thing I need to change on it was to add 1G of RAM, and get a bigger hard drive. Still works just fine.

    The T43 has DDR3 memory and slightly faster graphics than the other T
    series, it's a nice workhorse. Cheap parts.

    You can find PATA SSDs that'll work; I had a 64GB SSD in mine, and it gave
    me a couple of more years of usefulness out of it.

    T43. Best. Laptop. Keyboard. Ever.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to boraxman on Friday, April 29, 2022 06:45:00
    boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Heck, you can run a whole LAMP stack on Windows. I've seen people do
    their dev on a local stack on their desktop then push to staging and production on Linux.

    You mean WAMP? The L stands for Linux.

    I suppose they called it AMP, it's been a while since I took the class.

    For quite some time, local libraries partnered with Linda, the people
    Linkedin bought for their online learning platform. You could watch all of
    the linkedin premium content for free with a library card. Once Microsoft bought them, they required a Linkedin ID for Linda, and libraries couldn't offer the platform anymore. Shame.


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, May 02, 2022 21:18:28
    I'm still using a T43 that I got second hand. The only thing I need change on it was to add 1G of RAM, and get a bigger hard drive. Stil works just fine.

    The T43 has DDR3 memory and slightly faster graphics than the other T series, it's a nice workhorse. Cheap parts.

    You can find PATA SSDs that'll work; I had a 64GB SSD in mine, and it
    gave me a couple of more years of usefulness out of it.

    T43. Best. Laptop. Keyboard. Ever.



    I just installed a 320G PATA hard drive in the machine. I chose that instead of an SSD for space and price. Probably should have got the SSD, but to be honest, the hard drive is fast enough. I hibernate it, so boot time is not a problem.

    And agree about the keyboard. I've hard a couple of thinkpads in the past which died on me (not indestructible) and I love the keyboard. Using another laptop feels awkward in comparison, with their keyboard being inferior. The keyboard is 50% of the reason that I haven't upgraded. Everything in this machine is in the right place, in the right proportions. I'll never have another laptop that is as good as this one.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, May 02, 2022 21:19:39
    You mean WAMP? The L stands for Linux.

    I suppose they called it AMP, it's been a while since I took the class.

    For quite some time, local libraries partnered with Linda, the people Linkedin bought for their online learning platform. You could watch all
    of the linkedin premium content for free with a library card. Once Microsoft bought them, they required a Linkedin ID for Linda, and libraries couldn't offer the platform anymore. Shame.


    ... Have you ever seen anything like this place?

    We had access to Linda/Linkedin at work, they purchased access for employees.

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to boraxman on Monday, May 02, 2022 10:47:24
    You can find PATA SSDs that'll work; I had a 64GB SSD in mine, and it gave me a couple of more years of usefulness out of it.

    I just installed a 320G PATA hard drive in the machine. I chose that instead of an SSD for space and price. Probably should have got the
    SSD, but to be honest, the hard drive is fast enough. I hibernate it,
    so boot time is not a problem.

    I'm a tad surprised you can still find them.. I assume they're not new.
    There are plenty of SATA -> PATA adapters out there..

    ST

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to boraxman on Monday, May 02, 2022 10:43:00
    boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I just installed a 320G PATA hard drive in the machine. I chose that instead of an SSD for space and price.

    I didn't know they made PATA drives that big?

    What was nice about them was being able to put a drive in the ultrabay; I
    had a 64GB SSD and a 160 in the ultrabay.


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to StormTrooper on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 21:49:25
    You can find PATA SSDs that'll work; I had a 64GB SSD in mine, a gave me a couple of more years of usefulness out of it.

    I just installed a 320G PATA hard drive in the machine. I chose that instead of an SSD for space and price. Probably should have got the SSD, but to be honest, the hard drive is fast enough. I hibernate it so boot time is not a problem.

    I'm a tad surprised you can still find them.. I assume they're not new. There are plenty of SATA -> PATA adapters out there..

    ST

    I did consider the adapter, but was a little unsure of whether it would work on the Thinkpad, as this model already has some type of PATA-SATA adapter on the board, and it may not play nice. Also there is the unknown factor of whether the drive will fit in the chassis.

    The 320G drive certainly looks to be pristine and smartctl reports 9 power on hours, which would be me using it.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 21:51:31
    I just installed a 320G PATA hard drive in the machine. I chose that instead of an SSD for space and price.

    I didn't know they made PATA drives that big?

    What was nice about them was being able to put a drive in the ultrabay;
    I had a 64GB SSD and a 160 in the ultrabay.


    ... When in doubt, predict that the trend will continue.

    I though 250G was as big as they got, but lo, behold, Western Digital made a 320G (WD Blue).

    Seems to be new too, at least that is what smartctl is reporting, and all for under $50 AUD.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to boraxman on Saturday, May 07, 2022 14:48:23
    Re: Re: SSH on BBSes
    By: boraxman to Nightfox on Sat Apr 30 2022 10:02 pm

    The Steam desktop application will install proton for you when you install a game through it. You'll be able to use that version of proton to run any other game.

    I tried that out today in my Linux installation on my main PC, with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. It looked like I had to first enable Proton in Steam's compatibility settings for the game before it would allow me to install it. And there are several versions of Proton to choose from to run the game. I tried only a couple (the development version, and the most recent versioned one), but without much luck. With the development version of Proton, Microsoft Flight Simulator would start up but then immediately quit back to the Linux desktop. With the most recent versioned release, Microsoft Flight Simulator started, and I heard its sound, but it was only showing a blank white screen.

    Proton's compatibility list online says Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 largely works with just some minor issues. I guess I'll have to try some different Proton versions or settings and see what happens.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to claw on Saturday, May 07, 2022 14:50:26
    Re: Re: SSH on BBSes
    By: claw to Nightfox on Thu Apr 28 2022 03:19 pm

    If you have the game for steam it does all the work for you. Install steam on Linux which is probably available on your repository and then just tell it to install Flight simulator.

    I tried that today in my Linux installation on my main PC, with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. It semed I had to do a little more work than just tell it to install - I had to first enable Proton in Steam's compatibility settings for the game before it would allow me to install it. And there are several versions of Proton to choose from to run the game. I got it to at least start up and it had sound, but just a blank white screen. I'll have to mess with it some more to see if I can get it to work. According to Proton's compatibility list online, Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 apparently largely works with just some minor issues.

    Nightfox
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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Sunday, May 08, 2022 13:06:15
    The Steam desktop application will install proton for you when you in a game through it. You'll be able to use that version of proton to ru other game.

    I tried that out today in my Linux installation on my main PC, with Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. It looked like I had to first enable Proton in Steam's compatibility settings for the game before it would allow me to install it. And there are several versions of Proton to choose from to run the game. I tried only a couple (the development version, and the most recent versioned one), but without much luck.
    With the development version of Proton, Microsoft Flight Simulator would start up but then immediately quit back to the Linux desktop. With the most recent versioned release, Microsoft Flight Simulator started, and I heard its sound, but it was only showing a blank white screen.

    Proton's compatibility list online says Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 largely works with just some minor issues. I guess I'll have to try
    some different Proton versions or settings and see what happens.

    Nightfox

    I found with Rage I did have to try a couple of proton versions before I found one which worked right. Some games which are classed as 'working' don't always work, and I think the testing is somewhat limited.

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